Comments on: Charging for Epic Updates? http://mmoquests.com/2009/09/15/charging-for-epic-updates/ A peek into my world of mmo gaming Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:33:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: stargrace http://mmoquests.com/2009/09/15/charging-for-epic-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-10836 stargrace Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:04:05 +0000 http://mmoquests.com/?p=2564#comment-10836 Did you not see the fact that this post is about my guild that does NOT charge for updates Ghimmhala? No one is going to do any flaming. You always have the choice of joining a raid guild yourself or making an alliance to get your updates, no one forces anyone to pay. There are always other options. Easy options of course not, but they are there. I don't mind if people charge, it's supply and demand. Strangers are taking the time to run instances that they have no personal gain in doing and that takes time and effort on their part. That's their own personal decision though just as it is the decision of people who pay. Those who don't have the money and don't want to pay just won't, and they'll get their mythical (if they want it) through other means. I don't believe it should be stopped, since no one is forcing anyone else to do anything, just don't pay. Those who want to, will. Did you not see the fact that this post is about my guild that does NOT charge for updates Ghimmhala? No one is going to do any flaming.

You always have the choice of joining a raid guild yourself or making an alliance to get your updates, no one forces anyone to pay. There are always other options. Easy options of course not, but they are there.

I don’t mind if people charge, it’s supply and demand. Strangers are taking the time to run instances that they have no personal gain in doing and that takes time and effort on their part. That’s their own personal decision though just as it is the decision of people who pay. Those who don’t have the money and don’t want to pay just won’t, and they’ll get their mythical (if they want it) through other means.

I don’t believe it should be stopped, since no one is forcing anyone else to do anything, just don’t pay. Those who want to, will.

]]> By: Ghimmhala http://mmoquests.com/2009/09/15/charging-for-epic-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-10835 Ghimmhala Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:40:58 +0000 http://mmoquests.com/?p=2564#comment-10835 I think it is completely WRONG to charge some one in game money for a update. I do not think its right that I buy the game pay a monthly fee bust my hump to lvl (by my self) to 80 fight to keep some plat on me for repairs and have to turn around and get told I have to pay a absurde amount of in game money to get my Fable updates... Its wrong and it should be stopped.. Just IMO flame all you want IDK I think it is completely WRONG to charge some one in game money for a update. I do not think its right that I buy the game pay a monthly fee bust my hump to lvl (by my self) to 80 fight to keep some plat on me for repairs and have to turn around and get told I have to pay a absurde amount of in game money to get my Fable updates… Its wrong and it should be stopped.. Just IMO flame all you want IDK

]]> By: Kosovos http://mmoquests.com/2009/09/15/charging-for-epic-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-10829 Kosovos Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:46:44 +0000 http://mmoquests.com/?p=2564#comment-10829 I for one, hate people who charge for myth updates, it's an exploit of people. You worked hard enough to get the first few updates, let alone the fabled, and next these high end raid guilds get the marvelous idea to get greedy and charge for a kill. It upsets me to no end, and Lowers my respect towards them dramatically. it's just me, I guess, and I hate people who start selling kills and loot just so they can make an extra buck. My paladin got his Mythical with no charge, and I have tons of respect for the people who helped me get it, (Save for one guild that will remain nameless). I like the people who ask for someone to fill in this spot so they can kill the named. They got a lot of heart with no charge towards people who aren't in a raiding guild. As for the question, “Are we in the wrong for allowing people this free method of obtaining their mythicals?” I have a lot of respect for people doing this, it shows that your a good player and are willing to help those who aren't able to raid regularly and get the ability to raid VP and others. I wish there were more people like this. I for one, hate people who charge for myth updates, it’s an exploit of people. You worked hard enough to get the first few updates, let alone the fabled, and next these high end raid guilds get the marvelous idea to get greedy and charge for a kill. It upsets me to no end, and Lowers my respect towards them dramatically. it’s just me, I guess, and I hate people who start selling kills and loot just so they can make an extra buck.

My paladin got his Mythical with no charge, and I have tons of respect for the people who helped me get it, (Save for one guild that will remain nameless). I like the people who ask for someone to fill in this spot so they can kill the named. They got a lot of heart with no charge towards people who aren’t in a raiding guild.

As for the question, “Are we in the wrong for allowing people this free method of obtaining their mythicals?”

I have a lot of respect for people doing this, it shows that your a good player and are willing to help those who aren’t able to raid regularly and get the ability to raid VP and others. I wish there were more people like this.

]]> By: Wednesday MMO Reader « Epic Slant – MMO and guild commentary from veteran players http://mmoquests.com/2009/09/15/charging-for-epic-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-10828 Wednesday MMO Reader « Epic Slant – MMO and guild commentary from veteran players Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:57:25 +0000 http://mmoquests.com/?p=2564#comment-10828 [...] asks if it is wrong to charge players for raid spots and/or helping them complete Epic Quests. I don’t see a problem with either! Hopefully [...] [...] asks if it is wrong to charge players for raid spots and/or helping them complete Epic Quests. I don’t see a problem with either! Hopefully [...]

]]> By: Stargrace http://mmoquests.com/2009/09/15/charging-for-epic-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-10826 Stargrace Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:21:47 +0000 http://mmoquests.com/?p=2564#comment-10826 In solo and small group situations, sure a mythical can make a "I'd normally fail" situation into a "now we always win" situation - but I've done palace just fine without mythical geared people, though Ykesha's was another matter. I'm still a firm believer that a mythical does not make, or break, a player or their play styles, but simply adds to it. My tiny guild was taking down TSO stuff with only one of us having their mythical for the longest time, and even before that one person had their mythical we were doing fairly well for non-raid geared players. Since those instances are meant for full groups and not simply 2 people (or two people playing four characters) I can certainly see how it would help. In a full group of people who know what they're doing and know their classes, have masters, and aa, and gear, a mythical does not make or break that group, imo. I had never even had a mythical until just last month and I've done quite a lot of content. Was I at my fullest potential, no, of course not, but not having a mythical never held me back. In solo and small group situations, sure a mythical can make a “I’d normally fail” situation into a “now we always win” situation – but I’ve done palace just fine without mythical geared people, though Ykesha’s was another matter. I’m still a firm believer that a mythical does not make, or break, a player or their play styles, but simply adds to it. My tiny guild was taking down TSO stuff with only one of us having their mythical for the longest time, and even before that one person had their mythical we were doing fairly well for non-raid geared players. Since those instances are meant for full groups and not simply 2 people (or two people playing four characters) I can certainly see how it would help.

In a full group of people who know what they’re doing and know their classes, have masters, and aa, and gear, a mythical does not make or break that group, imo. I had never even had a mythical until just last month and I’ve done quite a lot of content. Was I at my fullest potential, no, of course not, but not having a mythical never held me back.

]]> By: Blackluck http://mmoquests.com/2009/09/15/charging-for-epic-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-10825 Blackluck Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:39:55 +0000 http://mmoquests.com/?p=2564#comment-10825 A small point of contention: A mythical weapon can make a huge difference. To whit, after my zerker gained his myth we -- my SO and I - could kill TSO named mobs where before we could not (we small group zones, i.e. 2 players, four characters.) It's not that I suddenly got better at my class: With the myth my DPS increased probably by 2/3 on average. Ironically it was much easier getting the myth then the fabled version. As an aside, I've been working on my dirge mythical for quite a while now. Six Levi and three MMIS raids later I'm on my final mob. I joined a VP pickup raid Sunday and ended up spending five hours on one mob and we never did get to my target. All told I've spent somewhere around twenty hours on the thing (including form up times.) I am otherwise not a raider, aside from very, very occasional p/u SoH and Pawbuster raids (for masters that never drop alas.) After this experience this will likely be my last mythical ever. A small point of contention: A mythical weapon can make a huge difference. To whit, after my zerker gained his myth we — my SO and I – could kill TSO named mobs where before we could not (we small group zones, i.e. 2 players, four characters.) It’s not that I suddenly got better at my class: With the myth my DPS increased probably by 2/3 on average. Ironically it was much easier getting the myth then the fabled version.

As an aside, I’ve been working on my dirge mythical for quite a while now. Six Levi and three MMIS raids later I’m on my final mob. I joined a VP pickup raid Sunday and ended up spending five hours on one mob and we never did get to my target. All told I’ve spent somewhere around twenty hours on the thing (including form up times.) I am otherwise not a raider, aside from very, very occasional p/u SoH and Pawbuster raids (for masters that never drop alas.) After this experience this will likely be my last mythical ever.

]]> By: Argyuile - Unrest http://mmoquests.com/2009/09/15/charging-for-epic-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-10824 Argyuile - Unrest Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:00:39 +0000 http://mmoquests.com/?p=2564#comment-10824 Mythical's kind of hosed progression and being effecting in ToS requires a mythical for all but the easiest instances. I very much doubt a group without mythicals is going to clear Outer Stronghold or Palace unless they are some of the top players at their class. There is nothing in my mind that is moral or immoral about selling or "giving away" updates. If people want to "earn" them then they will, if people want to buy them then if they don't get them from you they will get them through someone else. It would be easier to try and stop the earth spinning that to stop the law of supply and demand. Mythical’s kind of hosed progression and being effecting in ToS requires a mythical for all but the easiest instances. I very much doubt a group without mythicals is going to clear Outer Stronghold or Palace unless they are some of the top players at their class. There is nothing in my mind that is moral or immoral about selling or “giving away” updates. If people want to “earn” them then they will, if people want to buy them then if they don’t get them from you they will get them through someone else. It would be easier to try and stop the earth spinning that to stop the law of supply and demand.

]]> By: tuvogg http://mmoquests.com/2009/09/15/charging-for-epic-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-10823 tuvogg Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:51:22 +0000 http://mmoquests.com/?p=2564#comment-10823 I am in a raid guild, also fighting Avatars, Anashti, Ykesha and now Munzok and constantly looking out for potential failure messages. Do I think that the Mythical spam should be stopped? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Not everyone getting a Myth is an alt of an alt. There are still some new players out there for whom getting a Myth and thereby spamming the server is the pinnacle of their EQ2 career. NO leave it exactly as it is. I am in a raid guild, also fighting Avatars, Anashti, Ykesha and now Munzok and constantly looking out for potential failure messages. Do I think that the Mythical spam should be stopped? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Not everyone getting a Myth is an alt of an alt. There are still some new players out there for whom getting a Myth and thereby spamming the server is the pinnacle of their EQ2 career. NO leave it exactly as it is.

]]> By: Ferrel http://mmoquests.com/2009/09/15/charging-for-epic-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-10822 Ferrel Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:51:42 +0000 http://mmoquests.com/?p=2564#comment-10822 The shortest of answers is this: If you have the capability to take pugs through these events and do so it is your choice. Nobody has any right to tell you it is "wrong." Helping the community is never wrong in my book. Even when I was leading Iniquity (competitive raiding) we took pugs through old content. We did it for our own alts and we did it for good will. The shortest of answers is this: If you have the capability to take pugs through these events and do so it is your choice. Nobody has any right to tell you it is “wrong.” Helping the community is never wrong in my book. Even when I was leading Iniquity (competitive raiding) we took pugs through old content. We did it for our own alts and we did it for good will.

]]> By: Magson http://mmoquests.com/2009/09/15/charging-for-epic-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-10821 Magson Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:26:12 +0000 http://mmoquests.com/?p=2564#comment-10821 No, you're not wrong. Frankly, I wish you were on my server so I could get my updates. . . . Though tbh, I rarely get on during "prime time" on the weekends anyway. If I did, I'm sure I'd have already been on some PUR's and at least gotten my coercer's myth. Ah well. No, you’re not wrong. Frankly, I wish you were on my server so I could get my updates. . . . Though tbh, I rarely get on during “prime time” on the weekends anyway. If I did, I’m sure I’d have already been on some PUR’s and at least gotten my coercer’s myth. Ah well.

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